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		<title>By: Growl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Growl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growl finally says hello from Afghanistan 

/hello

It&#039;s interesting to see how much this thread has grown since I wrote it all that time ago.  The problem of guilds, guild hopping, and progression haven&#039;t gone away - but I like to think that as a player, I&#039;ve gathered some perspective.  First off - I&#039;m deployed to Afghanistan right now and no matter what - full on raiding just isn&#039;t in my future.  We&#039;ve managed to hook up some frankensteined satellite Internet on our FOB that works relatively well, but even with that - on a good day - my ping sits around 900-1200ms.  

Ouch.

Still - I&#039;ve managed to log on a couple times and chat with friends - and have a sinister plan to corner the crafting market with one of my toons.  Farming and playing alts are easy to do even with high ping.  My battleground endeavors are probably stymied until I get home though - no Conquerer title for Skychaser it seems.

Anyway - about that perspective - the urge to progress  has dulled (obviously) but the love of the game has not.  I popped into one of my favorite places in all of Outland (Nagrand) and simply road around the countryside on my Frostwolf.  I found that I missed the simple act of being in that world, the magnificent vistas, the islands in the air.  I even tried to stop and pet a Talbuk and got a taste of its horns for my trouble.

The point (if there is one) is that sometimes it&#039;s good to step back and love the game for the game.  The grind gets to all of us and the progression bug is sure to get to me once again when I finally get back home.  I think I can manage to survive it though.  In the end - I never left my guild - and they&#039;ve grown and we&#039;ve gone more places.  I&#039;m happier with that decision ultimately - as good people are hard to find - and ultimately - for me - they make the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growl finally says hello from Afghanistan </p>
<p>/hello</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see how much this thread has grown since I wrote it all that time ago.  The problem of guilds, guild hopping, and progression haven&#8217;t gone away &#8211; but I like to think that as a player, I&#8217;ve gathered some perspective.  First off &#8211; I&#8217;m deployed to Afghanistan right now and no matter what &#8211; full on raiding just isn&#8217;t in my future.  We&#8217;ve managed to hook up some frankensteined satellite Internet on our FOB that works relatively well, but even with that &#8211; on a good day &#8211; my ping sits around 900-1200ms.  </p>
<p>Ouch.</p>
<p>Still &#8211; I&#8217;ve managed to log on a couple times and chat with friends &#8211; and have a sinister plan to corner the crafting market with one of my toons.  Farming and playing alts are easy to do even with high ping.  My battleground endeavors are probably stymied until I get home though &#8211; no Conquerer title for Skychaser it seems.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; about that perspective &#8211; the urge to progress  has dulled (obviously) but the love of the game has not.  I popped into one of my favorite places in all of Outland (Nagrand) and simply road around the countryside on my Frostwolf.  I found that I missed the simple act of being in that world, the magnificent vistas, the islands in the air.  I even tried to stop and pet a Talbuk and got a taste of its horns for my trouble.</p>
<p>The point (if there is one) is that sometimes it&#8217;s good to step back and love the game for the game.  The grind gets to all of us and the progression bug is sure to get to me once again when I finally get back home.  I think I can manage to survive it though.  In the end &#8211; I never left my guild &#8211; and they&#8217;ve grown and we&#8217;ve gone more places.  I&#8217;m happier with that decision ultimately &#8211; as good people are hard to find &#8211; and ultimately &#8211; for me &#8211; they make the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitr</title>
		<link>http://www.gitrknowswow.com/2007/12/17/looking-for-guild/comment-page-2/#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zany,

That sounds like a pretty sucky situation, and one that I&#039;m afraid we have to leave up to the other readers for an answer. I am one of those alt-aholics and really want to run end-game without it taking over my life.

One suggestion is to make a WordPress site/forum for your guild to get Google hits for people looking for guilds that match your ideology and methodology.

Feel free to link up anything you create here and I&#039;ll see that it gets posted. If there is enough interest, I&#039;ll do a guild recruiting post for those interested in plugging their guild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zany,</p>
<p>That sounds like a pretty sucky situation, and one that I&#8217;m afraid we have to leave up to the other readers for an answer. I am one of those alt-aholics and really want to run end-game without it taking over my life.</p>
<p>One suggestion is to make a WordPress site/forum for your guild to get Google hits for people looking for guilds that match your ideology and methodology.</p>
<p>Feel free to link up anything you create here and I&#8217;ll see that it gets posted. If there is enough interest, I&#8217;ll do a guild recruiting post for those interested in plugging their guild.</p>
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		<title>By: Zany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran across this website by accident and found this post, I would like to ask you all for you opinion

We were in a guild simillar to what Tatcha described, a core group of players whose 70&#039;s wanted to gear up their toons and progress beyond ZA and eventually see 25 man content. We  started doing weekly Kara runs, one night up to curator and another beyond curator, as we started getting members up in gear. There was controversy, as the geared ones now wanted to bring in their alts, and gear them up. We wanted to however get everyones mains built up first or a least provide  the opportunity to the mains in the guild to gear up so we could progress. This caused a lot of drama,and after serveral months a portion of the core group decided to form their own guild.

And this is where we stand today, I am a GM of Guild. who is essentially run by a committee of RL friends or players that have played together for a while,  trying to progress to 25 Man content. We have gotten to the point where with our core group can clear Kara and have it on farm and have scheduled ZA in the coming week.  

We will soon be running into the issue of, we enough people to do 1 Kara run or 1 ZA Run but are just  short of doing one at the same time or two runs. We are missing healer and couple of tanks, and will have to rotate members in and out to do the one run. I am  constantly. I am advertising for guild  recruitment and advertise as a mature casual guild, who understands that RL comes first. Actually we are more of a mature, laid back, casual guild who wants to have fun but still is serious in  progressing to end game.
 
My question is how do I reach players, who as I noticed like you, who would like to be in a casual but  serious raiding guild.  I&#039;ve advertised WoWikki, WoWhead, World of Warcraft Forums. but found out if I cross realm posted, my account would be banned from the forums. 

Do you all have any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran across this website by accident and found this post, I would like to ask you all for you opinion</p>
<p>We were in a guild simillar to what Tatcha described, a core group of players whose 70&#8242;s wanted to gear up their toons and progress beyond ZA and eventually see 25 man content. We  started doing weekly Kara runs, one night up to curator and another beyond curator, as we started getting members up in gear. There was controversy, as the geared ones now wanted to bring in their alts, and gear them up. We wanted to however get everyones mains built up first or a least provide  the opportunity to the mains in the guild to gear up so we could progress. This caused a lot of drama,and after serveral months a portion of the core group decided to form their own guild.</p>
<p>And this is where we stand today, I am a GM of Guild. who is essentially run by a committee of RL friends or players that have played together for a while,  trying to progress to 25 Man content. We have gotten to the point where with our core group can clear Kara and have it on farm and have scheduled ZA in the coming week.  </p>
<p>We will soon be running into the issue of, we enough people to do 1 Kara run or 1 ZA Run but are just  short of doing one at the same time or two runs. We are missing healer and couple of tanks, and will have to rotate members in and out to do the one run. I am  constantly. I am advertising for guild  recruitment and advertise as a mature casual guild, who understands that RL comes first. Actually we are more of a mature, laid back, casual guild who wants to have fun but still is serious in  progressing to end game.</p>
<p>My question is how do I reach players, who as I noticed like you, who would like to be in a casual but  serious raiding guild.  I&#8217;ve advertised WoWikki, WoWhead, World of Warcraft Forums. but found out if I cross realm posted, my account would be banned from the forums. </p>
<p>Do you all have any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Archsooner</title>
		<link>http://www.gitrknowswow.com/2007/12/17/looking-for-guild/comment-page-1/#comment-9472</link>
		<dc:creator>Archsooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve been wanting to reply to this blog for a while because I know what everyone is talking about.  The reason I didn&#039;t is because I kept telling myself just give my current guild a chance.  None of us have hit 70 yet and I have seen some good stuff happening.  
Let me go back a bit.  When I started playing again this Thanksgiving I responded to one of those &quot;New guild seeking members. Have guild bank, vent and tab blah blah blah in Westfall&quot;.  Normally I don&#039;t do this, but being in even a small new guild with low levels at least gurantee&#039;s you a couple of people to run Deadmines with.  I get on vent and I actually enjoy playing with a core group of these guys.  After a week or so in this guild, the core guys I&#039;m with have a fight with the GM, some 17 year old punk who we all heard yelling at his mom telling her he was going to stab her (/stabmom is now an inside joke with my guild).  Needless to say we left and within an hour have our own guild started complete with tab, guild bank, and a new vent server.
Everything goes fine and the core group of guys I&#039;m with are leveling fast and having fun when it happens.  We are in Maura and I&#039;m there to get the shield from the goblin guy when our new GM (who buys a bunch of gold which I don&#039;t approve of but at least gets stuff like a quick guild bank) gets mad at another guildie and leaves us right before the croc.  In my opinion this is unexcusable, u never leave guildies stranded in an instance no matter what.  But like I said, I really like playing with the other 4 or 5 core guys and the GM isn&#039;t a bad person to BS with on vent when I&#039;m out grindin solo so I forgive it.  About two days after this, I log on and noone is on. 5 min later the GM gets on and tells me everyone has decided to switch servers b/c we are on a recommended one and it&#039;s too crowded and they want to play horde anyways.  I had never had a horde toon b4 and was really getting into my first pally which was at lvl 50 at this time and it took a lot for me to abandon him and switch.....But I did.
We move to Bloodserver and I roll my current BE Pally and once again everything is going smooth until last night.  Once again we are in Maura on an all guild run with the same core group I&#039;ve been with since I joined this guild on the other server save one person.  We are making good progress and I have just sit down to drink some water when the GM (a rogue who has nothing better to do then play all day and is consequently 3 levels higher then us (I&#039;m currently 47 with this guy) charges into the BIG group of flower guys (the one with 2 big flowers) and starts hacking the one I had marked with a skull.  By the time I notice this 2 secs later he is already at 25% hp so I say over vent just let him die which he did 2 secs later anyway and there was nothing we could have done to save him regardless.  He gets pissed off b/c we &quot;let&quot; him die and starts crying saying he was just going after the skull and we all turn on him and let him know I&#039;m the tank and he should have waited.  What happens...He leaves the group.  Well this is the 2nd time he has abandoned me in maura on two diff servers so I&#039;m pissed and the rest of the group is on my side.
We haven&#039;t left the guild yet but going through the instance we started talking about our end game plans and how we wanted to do it and have decided that we are either going to ask for control of the guild or leave and start our own b4 too long.  Point of the story...I don&#039;t know. I just needed to get it off my chest I guess, unless i&#039;m subconsceistly seeing if theres another guild on Bloodfurnace who could use a prot pally.  
The night wasn&#039;t all bad though, we continued four manning and lost another guildie to a d/c after the elemental guy and decided to go on.  What happens.. we successfully complete the instance princess, landslide, crock, and goblin dude 3 Man, myself a 47 prot pally, a 47 holy priest and and a 50 hunter with a spider pet.  This accomplishment made up for the GM leaving us and we had a great time spamming on guild chat 3 man FTW afterward.  I love the core group of guys I&#039;m with but why can&#039;t I find a core Guild if u know what I&#039;m saying lol.  Thats all I guess and thanks for listening :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve been wanting to reply to this blog for a while because I know what everyone is talking about.  The reason I didn&#8217;t is because I kept telling myself just give my current guild a chance.  None of us have hit 70 yet and I have seen some good stuff happening.<br />
Let me go back a bit.  When I started playing again this Thanksgiving I responded to one of those &#8220;New guild seeking members. Have guild bank, vent and tab blah blah blah in Westfall&#8221;.  Normally I don&#8217;t do this, but being in even a small new guild with low levels at least gurantee&#8217;s you a couple of people to run Deadmines with.  I get on vent and I actually enjoy playing with a core group of these guys.  After a week or so in this guild, the core guys I&#8217;m with have a fight with the GM, some 17 year old punk who we all heard yelling at his mom telling her he was going to stab her (/stabmom is now an inside joke with my guild).  Needless to say we left and within an hour have our own guild started complete with tab, guild bank, and a new vent server.<br />
Everything goes fine and the core group of guys I&#8217;m with are leveling fast and having fun when it happens.  We are in Maura and I&#8217;m there to get the shield from the goblin guy when our new GM (who buys a bunch of gold which I don&#8217;t approve of but at least gets stuff like a quick guild bank) gets mad at another guildie and leaves us right before the croc.  In my opinion this is unexcusable, u never leave guildies stranded in an instance no matter what.  But like I said, I really like playing with the other 4 or 5 core guys and the GM isn&#8217;t a bad person to BS with on vent when I&#8217;m out grindin solo so I forgive it.  About two days after this, I log on and noone is on. 5 min later the GM gets on and tells me everyone has decided to switch servers b/c we are on a recommended one and it&#8217;s too crowded and they want to play horde anyways.  I had never had a horde toon b4 and was really getting into my first pally which was at lvl 50 at this time and it took a lot for me to abandon him and switch&#8230;..But I did.<br />
We move to Bloodserver and I roll my current BE Pally and once again everything is going smooth until last night.  Once again we are in Maura on an all guild run with the same core group I&#8217;ve been with since I joined this guild on the other server save one person.  We are making good progress and I have just sit down to drink some water when the GM (a rogue who has nothing better to do then play all day and is consequently 3 levels higher then us (I&#8217;m currently 47 with this guy) charges into the BIG group of flower guys (the one with 2 big flowers) and starts hacking the one I had marked with a skull.  By the time I notice this 2 secs later he is already at 25% hp so I say over vent just let him die which he did 2 secs later anyway and there was nothing we could have done to save him regardless.  He gets pissed off b/c we &#8220;let&#8221; him die and starts crying saying he was just going after the skull and we all turn on him and let him know I&#8217;m the tank and he should have waited.  What happens&#8230;He leaves the group.  Well this is the 2nd time he has abandoned me in maura on two diff servers so I&#8217;m pissed and the rest of the group is on my side.<br />
We haven&#8217;t left the guild yet but going through the instance we started talking about our end game plans and how we wanted to do it and have decided that we are either going to ask for control of the guild or leave and start our own b4 too long.  Point of the story&#8230;I don&#8217;t know. I just needed to get it off my chest I guess, unless i&#8217;m subconsceistly seeing if theres another guild on Bloodfurnace who could use a prot pally.<br />
The night wasn&#8217;t all bad though, we continued four manning and lost another guildie to a d/c after the elemental guy and decided to go on.  What happens.. we successfully complete the instance princess, landslide, crock, and goblin dude 3 Man, myself a 47 prot pally, a 47 holy priest and and a 50 hunter with a spider pet.  This accomplishment made up for the GM leaving us and we had a great time spamming on guild chat 3 man FTW afterward.  I love the core group of guys I&#8217;m with but why can&#8217;t I find a core Guild if u know what I&#8217;m saying lol.  Thats all I guess and thanks for listening <img src='http://www.gitrknowswow.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tatcha</title>
		<link>http://www.gitrknowswow.com/2007/12/17/looking-for-guild/comment-page-1/#comment-9416</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this is quite the quagmire.  I have come from a slightly different perspective.  After months of building up a guild of people who were friendly, nice to talk to, etc- I watched as our numbers grew and grew in alts.  When finally our numbers were over 100 (perhaps 25% of them being alts) I found myself (an alt-less 70 wondering why I couldn&#039;t even get people to do 5 mans because they were busy running RFC for the 8th time on a new alt).  I eventually left the guild (which crumbled almost instantly) and joined a raiding guild.  Being a dps warrior, I knew what I would face.  I entered in full tier4 pvp gear (and some tier 6) so did not really need much that would drop.  After a few weeks I noticed something surprising... I wasn&#039;t accepted on runs because... guess what... people&#039;s alts were reaching 70 and now they were filling in the spots.
I finally left and formed my own guild (with a few equally uhappy guildies).  Now we try to convince 60&#039;s that we will help them, raise them up, run heroics, etc. and get back to Karaa, Gruul&#039;s, TK, so forth- they just don&#039;t seem to care.

I&#039;m starting to wonder if there&#039;s any sense in having a guild at all- maybe a guild of NPC&#039;s would be cool.

Good luck on your quest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is quite the quagmire.  I have come from a slightly different perspective.  After months of building up a guild of people who were friendly, nice to talk to, etc- I watched as our numbers grew and grew in alts.  When finally our numbers were over 100 (perhaps 25% of them being alts) I found myself (an alt-less 70 wondering why I couldn&#8217;t even get people to do 5 mans because they were busy running RFC for the 8th time on a new alt).  I eventually left the guild (which crumbled almost instantly) and joined a raiding guild.  Being a dps warrior, I knew what I would face.  I entered in full tier4 pvp gear (and some tier 6) so did not really need much that would drop.  After a few weeks I noticed something surprising&#8230; I wasn&#8217;t accepted on runs because&#8230; guess what&#8230; people&#8217;s alts were reaching 70 and now they were filling in the spots.<br />
I finally left and formed my own guild (with a few equally uhappy guildies).  Now we try to convince 60&#8242;s that we will help them, raise them up, run heroics, etc. and get back to Karaa, Gruul&#8217;s, TK, so forth- they just don&#8217;t seem to care.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to wonder if there&#8217;s any sense in having a guild at all- maybe a guild of NPC&#8217;s would be cool.</p>
<p>Good luck on your quest!</p>
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		<title>By: Gitr</title>
		<link>http://www.gitrknowswow.com/2007/12/17/looking-for-guild/comment-page-1/#comment-9204</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The irony alone is enough to make anyone who knows me to /snork a little.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Growl, it was just a little /snork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The irony alone is enough to make anyone who knows me to /snork a little.</p></blockquote>
<p>Growl, it was just a little /snork.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know this pain all too well.  I was an officer in a casual guild that went as far as we could.  I scheduled and mostly ran twice a week, doing the 5-mans, but we had one tank and one healer that consistently showed up.  In the end, the GMs decided to disband the guild to free those of us who wanted to progress.  I suppose that&#039;s a good thing.  I never could have left without it, and I am a better player now then I was.  I found a new guild home with some guys I had run a few different things with, that had been kind enough to invite me to kara when they had needed an extra DPS, and I am lucky that they waited forever for a hunter (we are a dime a dozen).  Teh new guys are great, I have new friends to group with, we do a mix of everything, and they are a drama-free group where there is no bickering inside the guild.  For all that I am sincerely lucky, but I rarely have as much fun or satisfaction from the game as when 4 of my old guildies show up and ask me to run something.  We tore up Bot last night and it was a blast.  No it wasn&#039;t a heroic, no I certainly didn&#039;t need a single drop, yeah we wiped once, but we all know each other so well I spent as much time laughing as anything else.  The trick to it all is finding a way to maintain your friendships while moving into something more progressive.  If you have a toon on bladefist you&#039;re welcome to check us out, guild name is Cataclysm.  We have one group with KZ on farm and are looking to form up a second group.  We raid T,W,R and sometimes Sundays (ZA) for now, raids start at about 8pm CST.  Feel free to message me if you come online... Hoder 70 Orc Hunter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know this pain all too well.  I was an officer in a casual guild that went as far as we could.  I scheduled and mostly ran twice a week, doing the 5-mans, but we had one tank and one healer that consistently showed up.  In the end, the GMs decided to disband the guild to free those of us who wanted to progress.  I suppose that&#8217;s a good thing.  I never could have left without it, and I am a better player now then I was.  I found a new guild home with some guys I had run a few different things with, that had been kind enough to invite me to kara when they had needed an extra DPS, and I am lucky that they waited forever for a hunter (we are a dime a dozen).  Teh new guys are great, I have new friends to group with, we do a mix of everything, and they are a drama-free group where there is no bickering inside the guild.  For all that I am sincerely lucky, but I rarely have as much fun or satisfaction from the game as when 4 of my old guildies show up and ask me to run something.  We tore up Bot last night and it was a blast.  No it wasn&#8217;t a heroic, no I certainly didn&#8217;t need a single drop, yeah we wiped once, but we all know each other so well I spent as much time laughing as anything else.  The trick to it all is finding a way to maintain your friendships while moving into something more progressive.  If you have a toon on bladefist you&#8217;re welcome to check us out, guild name is Cataclysm.  We have one group with KZ on farm and are looking to form up a second group.  We raid T,W,R and sometimes Sundays (ZA) for now, raids start at about 8pm CST.  Feel free to message me if you come online&#8230; Hoder 70 Orc Hunter</p>
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